Jeffrey Schultz has published in numerous literary journals, including Poetry, Indiana Review, Boston Review, Missouri Review, Prairie Schooner, and Miramar.
He earned his undergraduate degree from Cal State Fresno and an MFA from the University of Oregon. He is currently Visiting Assistant Professor of Creative Writing and Interim Director of Creative Writing for the Seaver College of Pepperdine University.
I want to believe, I really do, that what in me and each one of us
Is good-for-nothing, because it cannot feed itself, because it cannot
pay for food or, therefore, a phone small enough to embed
In its fingernail is not better off abandoned in the dumpster
behind the vacant metaphysician's office among a few minor gods'
Withered husks and carbon copies of old invoices. Elegy
is stupid, if you can avoid it. ...
-- from J. Listens to Line Static on the Last Pay Phone in the Continental U.S.
Process-wise, this points to my slowness. To some extent this is borne out of the work schedule I kept during much of that period. Like so many poets, I’ve put in a lot of time teaching as an adjunct. For most of those five years, I was teaching between six and eight classes at two to three, occasionally four different schools. And that includes summers, though I would usually be down to five classes then. So I’ve really had to work to find the time and energy to put towards the poems, and I could only find it in a way that really altered my composition process in some important ways. During semesters, I would mostly collect images and maybe write scattered lines, sometimes with and sometimes without a sense of what they might fit in to. During winter and spring breaks, and my slightly slower summers, I would work on figuring out how the larger things fit together. I still work this way, and in fact, I’m still teaching six classes this semester, but I think it does affect the poems in a lot of ways. In essence, the poems sort of accumulate very slowly during a long reflective period during which I’m not doing much actual writing but do find time to think during bus rides or commutes or dog walks, and then the poems are shaped and formed in much more intense fits of work when I can make the time for it. They bear the marks of their process too, I think.
I know it’s very much in vogue now to think of a book of poems as a specific project rather than as a more general collection, but I’ve never found a way into that thinking. It’s far more interesting to me to write the poems I’m going to write, write the poems that are somehow the expressions of what’s pressing in and on my experience, and then look for ways of arranging them that illuminate the throughlines that are necessarily there simply because they all have a base in a single, subjective experience. Everyone’s always hemming and hawing about negative capability and all that, yet very consciously designing book projects and their arcs? I guess I don’t get it. I’d argue that there are a couple of factors at the bottom of this, but one of the larger ones seems to me to be the full integration of creativity into the structure of the university. We’re essentially applying the “new and original research” criterion of dissertations to poems now, and so poems which used to be able to speak to experience broadly and deeply in ways that other writing couldn’t are now becoming much more confined and specialized. I worry that this is terribly limiting and creates a sense of separation and segregation from experience generally that may be a mechanism of making poetry harmless by indoctrinating it into the ways of institutions.
I’ve got to say thank you here too to the wonderful folks at the University of Georgia Press for finding a way to get the rights to the Grosz and for then designing such a wonderful cover. I couldn’t be happier with it.
The way I frame this in class is that we cannot make decisions or choices or really even have preferences about how we might address the problems we’re faced with in composition, the choices we make as we craft a poem, unless we really work to understand this relationship. Which means that, among other things, I don’t believe we can honestly say that we’re post-anything. Mostly, I’d argue, we’ve simply regressed from modernism, which, at its core, is an historical consciousness pulled into and through the present. There’s a phrase that occasionally gets thrown around in physics: “Not even wrong.” I don’t mean to invoke it as some sort of truth, just to borrow its structure: all of the various posts- are no such thing; they are simply not even modern, certainly not avant garde. There are a lot of reasons, things that are really interesting to me about the structure of the university and its importation and embrace of capital’s obsession over an “innovation” so divorced from the idea that it might have any end other than its own perpetuation that I’d argue we see this perennial obsession over so-called schools and movements and classifications, but I suppose I should just say that all I think we can aspire to be as poets or artists, or else that the only aspiration worth aspiring to is to be modern, and by that I mean that it is our job to struggle to find aesthetic approaches capable of capturing through mimesis the full reality of the moment we write from. I say “aspire to” because it’s perhaps just too much to ask, but it is also the only thing we could ask.
Dante was in many ways the first real modernist. What he understood was that the approaches outlined in Classical aesthetics could not, because the reality of social existence had changed, reflect the truth of his experience. That he was a modernist is one reason why he seems so much more distant to us now than, say, Homer, whose mythic time is just sort of statically distant from us, whenever we may be. The modern tends to age. And because change occurs ever faster in time, the modern tends to age now more and more quickly. Most of what doesn’t age is the clichéd, and in that way most of what purports to be timeless only is in the sense that it never was true at any time. The timeless in literature is mostly nothing but the collection of lies we tell ourselves to get through the day, and the persistence of those lies is what keeps us from coming together to figure out how to make the next day one that we don’t need to delude ourselves about just to endure. There is, I think, a point at which the modern and the timeless intersect, and aiming at that is, I suppose, the ultimate goal; you could call it something to the effect of the utopia of change. Whatever would be there, that’s what I want to write.
But to try to directly answer the question rather than all of this wandering around it, I really hope that I can find a way to fit my poems into the tradition of modernity, the tradition that sought to represent the truth of its moment, whenever and wherever that moment may have been.
There’s something about that that interests me as regards the various figures that range around personification. We can describe the non-human in human terms, sure, but we can also abstract the human and describe it in the terms of a thing or an idea. The idea at the bottom of this is that a thing can only be described in terms of its relationships, and that necessarily involves looking at things from perspectives other than what seem, initially, to be their own. I suppose I tend to think of this in subject-object terms. The voice or personality in the “J.” poems, for instance, sort of functions, from the point of view of the process, as conscious abstraction of the self, a conscious objectification of the subject. Writing these, I tried to see my perspective as merely a perspective and not the perspective, which is, of course, only what it actually is. The “J.” conceit helped me, hopefully, to maintain that distance and open up my own limited voice and perspective to critique so that it could be more truthfully realized in relation to the endless web of other perspectives it exists in objective relation to.
Though it sounds counterintuitive, I think there’s a way that this sort of objectification (whether of the non-human as human or the human as thought or idea or the self as other or whatever other combinations might be in there) actually makes room for the voice to emerge in the poems. What I hope is that the shifts in perspectives that this sort of figuration accomplishes allow a voice to build in the poems that is wider and more encompassing that any of the single perspectives represented therein, that, by objectifying in whatever way the set of perspectives that make up the poem a more all-encompassing and more objective voice can enter in to say what might need to be said, above and beyond, but still linked to or linking, the particulars of the poem.
The other thing I hope is that all of this perspective shifting or muddling is representative of our actual experience of the contemporary world and not just the imagination playing around for its own sake. If I imagine and then arrange figures to represent the members of the Chamber of Commerce as cannibalistically salivating over the remains of the body politic, it’s because I think there’s a fundamentally true moment in that figuration which would, were it not for the figure’s sort of revelation through hyperbole, continue to go unacknowledged. I may be old fashioned, or even–and I say this because it amuses me to no end to say it–conservative in that way: I still believe that the purpose of poems is to reveal truth.
But back to process, the one place I hope the process doesn’t show is in the way the time I work on these things in is so fragmented. Though the complex of thought and feeling that might make up this poem or that poem doesn’t tend to become clear to me all at once, I do think those complexes are actual wholes and I want them to read fluidly as wholes. So perhaps that’s one of the reasons I work with the lines as I do. I work up short threads that are all pieces of the same long thread. By the time I’m done with them, I want the places where I’ve spliced this piece to that piece to more or less become invisible, or maybe rather to become the natural pauses or transitions in movement that they always were, pauses that disappear into the whole.
I reread Berryman this summer and looked at most of Roethke too, two poets I hadn’t really read in depth since I finished school. I’ve become fascinated by Keats and am writing a paper about negative capability. After I recommended her to a student recently I just read a lot of Rae Armantrout. So that’s sort of all over the place.
For a class next semester I’m going to be pulling from all the major traditions’ and some of the minor ones’, e.g., Swedenborg, religious texts. Hegel will also figure into this, and Vico, Bachelard, and probably, among others, John Donne. So that’s all reading I’ll be doing shortly or that I’ve already been sneaking in bits of here and there where I can.
On my desk? Piles. Most likely some bills and things. Binder clips. Notes. Post-Its. Dust. Half-memories of things I forgot, at some point, to do. It’s a mess. I do a fair amount of school work at my desk, but not a ton of writing. I tend to, and I have no idea why this is, like to lie on the floor when I write. Maybe it’s a way of preparing to be crushed.